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Sources in the company that he wants to distance himself personally from the problems of the core social network. he wants to look elsewhere and it's almost like he wants to focus on the future and doesn't want to pay attention to the present, so there is a rallying around the ceo's passion project but a political angle as well which is trying to have as well which is trying to have a fresh start with regulators, trying to create the next internet together and it will be privacy orientated and safe and there will be a communications thing going our way, think about it, every time we talk about...

Clarity on that in the days to come one way or another. it is important to understand whether this was a failure of information being passed up the chain or whether information was passed up the chain. until we have a bit more firm clarity on those questions, i think it's difficult to know precisely who's to blame in what degree. >> if it's established that this was known for some time and it appears there's a lot of evidence there. you can have staff of chief of staff kelly contradicting his public statements here. have you seen a white house with credible allegations of horrendous behavior. ...

Future he'll say it much sooner so we don't have this conversation going on. when you're going to be a populist, you have -- if you're going to be a populist, you have to even more clearly express to the american people why you're different from these people. so i think the president got it right today and i hope he does it sooner next time. >> first of all, there were a lot of republican senators, ted cruz, marco rubio and others who came out very forcefully on this on twitter on saturday -- >> the clean right. >> i'm not using terms. but it's -- i mean, does it make sense to you that the pre...

Didn't come forward? >> it's horrible on so many levels. look, you could just give him the benefit of the doubt and say this is a communications, logistical problem. i think that maybe is part of it. i would love to believe the notion that he just doesn't understand this, and that it's a communications thing. but when you look and you have steve bannon in the white house and seth gorka in the white house and steven milner the white house, there's a pattern. i mean, there are people who -- steve bannon has quoted julius epila, this italian fascist, who mussolini wasn't bad enough for him, so he...

Lost because they devaled the currency. >> a lot of people in the white house put it down and not in a blaming way, but do put it down to rahm emanuel's style. people give him enormous credit for being the person who shep harded -- he is not a long range manager, he's a guy who's focussed on the short-term, a little bit transactional. and one of the things i think the president realized that while that had worked in some degree and it also hurt the white house in other ways and for the next two years going forward, they need to be much more proactive and much more strategic and look further do...