Stuff. was there like derogatory trefrnss to him as an african-american, this is stereotypical commentary? how would you describe it? >> it sounded as if he used it every day. it rolled off his mouth kind of like when you first heard the "access hollywood" tape. you would never imagine he talked that way. it just kind of rolled off of his tongue. but what's more disturbing -- >> that's amazing you that heard that. >> it's amazing that for two years these folks have been trying reach out to me and i guess i was in denial. i certainly didn't want to engage with people i thought was trying to bri...