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They face certain rape. >> kellyanne, there is no reason for us to go down any avenues of speculation. i don't think tonight is the night to fight. i think this is black and white. the only thing that changed here -- >> you want to talk about the compassion part. so did the first lady. everyone has. >> you're glossing over things because -- >> i'm not glossing over anything. where were you in 2014? . >> i was on it. >> were you? you're calling them trump detention centers. isn't that clever branding? and the obama detention centers had what in them? families. >> i'll let you speak. you want to...

The only thing that changed here -- >> you want to talk about the compassion part. so did the first lady. everyone has. >> you're glossing over things because -- >> i'm not glossing over anything. where were you in 2014? >> i was on it. >> were you? you're calling them trump detention centers. isn't that clever branding? and the obama detention centers had what in them? families. >> he changed the policy. >> i'll let you speak. you want to talk facts, let's do it, it's all we have in this situation. obviously the emotion isn't enough, right? you knew this was going to happen. you knew when the...

The programs are supposed to grow. that's where the savings come from. george w. bush didn't balance the budget on backs of the poor, romney and ryan, the only plan they have put forward for balancing the budget given their tax plan is on the backs of the poor. it is a shift, but it's not in the right direction. >> it's taking the compassionate conservativism thing deciding it didn't work out and saying you'll drop the compassion part. ezra, thank you very much. >> thank you. it turns out one area where president george w. bush did make some positive headway for his party is an area that's s...

Job training. they talk about it in terms of what they call block renting. the secret is they give the money to the states and say that money cannot grow as quickly as the programs are supposed to grow. that's where the savings come from. george w. bush didn't balance the budget on backs of the poor, romney and ryan, the only plan they have put forward for balancing the budget given their tax plan is on the backs of the poor. it is a shift, but it's not in the right direction. >> it's taking the compassionate conservativism thing deciding it didn't work out and saying you'll drop the compassio...