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Now, did you get tested erin? did they test you? >> i was tested quite often. i was in tested in competition but also out of competition testing that dara had mentioned where they come find you at any time. >> what do you think, dara, morally about this kind of cheating? because we know it happened in baseball. we know it happened in football. now we know it happened in cycling. what do you think morally about a guy who cheats? lance armstrong last year made 15, 1-$5 million in endorsements. what do you think about that cheating? >> well, first of all, we do have to think about what he has don...

And take my blood. >> do they have a key and come through the window? how do they do it? >> i used to live in a gated community they would call me at 6:00 in the morning and say john is here. >> bill: really? >> you have to let them in. >> bill: how does a guy, aaron, like armstrong beat that how does he beat that or does the tour de france not care? >> well, it's interesting. because for years i thought that it had to be very sophisticated way to beat the test. and after reading some of the articles that have come out in the last couple of weeks. some of it was actually quite simple as just n...

>> do they have a key and come through the window? how do they do it? >> i used to live in a gated community they would call me at 6:00 in the morning and say john is here. >> bill: really? >> you have to let them in. >> bill: how does a guy, aaron, like armstrong beat that how does he beat that or does the tour de france not care? >> well, it's interesting. because for years i thought that it had to be very sophisticated way to beat the test. and after reading some of the articles that have come out in the last couple of weeks. some of it was actually quite simple as just not answering the do...