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And he took great delight and we would all sit and watch how the west indies had thrashed england. and and so i grew up in a caribbean household, eating jerk chicken and so on. and just very much that immigrant thing, talking politics with a small pay, if not a large me. -- talking politics with a small p? oh, i don't know if we did so much more. so what does he think? what does your mother think about your politics now? well, you know, i think they think that my small c conservatism is quite like theirs because it used to be the case that families who vote on the left could be small c conserv...

Talking politics with a small p, if not a large p? oh, i don't know if we did so much more. so what does he think? what does your mother think about your politics now? well, you know, i think they think that my small c conservatism is quite like theirs because it used to be the case that families who vote on the left could be small c conservatives spell out what you mean by small. so you can say so. i mean, you mean believe in values in family. the things i support social conservatism, belief and traditionalism and belief in the family, belief in personal responsibility and duty towards others...

Who don't think that, but there are some who were on their feet applauding you, who did, and plenty in the press. it's interesting you put it that way, because i don't think anyone ever said that. i mean, at least i didn't say that to my face. what they'd say were things like we'd be trying to set up our school, having a parents evening evening, and they would come and stand amongst the parents and start shouting at me about how i betrayed them. that's right. why do you think? well, that's what's interesting. i do think it's because i'm a black woman and i'm state educated and i worked in stat...

And she's just been appointed as the new chair of the social mobility commission. katherine birbalsingh, welcome to political thinking. thank you. that phrase, strictest head in britain. do you glow with pride? do you blush or do you laugh because you think it's absurd? well, all of that really is it's a bit funny. i think people imagine that i walk up and down the corridors with whips and chains when actually i'm often in my office meeting with teachers. what does trict mean is what i'd say. it means immersing children in love and keeping your standards high with regard to your expectations, ...

Is to ban really high quality stuff. so ban shakespear,e ban latin, ban really complicated maths, because what we're doing is we're accepting that children who come from poorer families can't access that. so did you think i suggested that you should ban any of those things? what you might say is that there are certain things that are assumed amongst people of a particular background to go to a particular type of school, usually private schools, that if they're a barrier to people reaching the top, particularly as it's not necessarily evident that all civil service is any more the best in the w...