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Note that anthony scaramucci's account of why it may not be the russians, they are so good at hacking. they are so good they would cover their tracks and we wouldn't know it was him. a remark that putin told trump. and moscow's cyber operators soar good at covert and computer network operations if they had dipped into the dnc systems they would not have been caught. they are now laundering essentially the putin line about the culpability here. >> i guess that's what happened. anthony made clear in that interview that his source who had been anonymous at the start of the interview was president...

U.s. command described it. the idea is we used cyber warfare coming from the west to make that fail. that's one area floated out there by folks like yourself. how would that work? >> there's operations on the military side called information operations. this is to degrade all of the pieces. which saw this with the supposed stuxnet and if it was u.s. and irani and if it was focused on the program there we saw that in action back in 2010. right, so what this does is there are groups out there within the information operation divisions of the military called c & o, computer network operations and...