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Completely open borders and built the most prosperous society in the world. john: i understand half your argument, and clearly people want to come here and they can't. we have the lotteries, they get 100 applicants for every one, if you want to come here legally and you're an indian computer programmer, you wait on average 35 years. >> that's the computer programmers, forget it if you don't have an education. john: a mexican teenager, 140 years. you can't get in legally. >> it's tragic, and it's not just a violation. i think it's inhumane but a violation of rights of americans who want to hire...

Live from detroit, giving middle school kids a chance to become computer programmers. and my colleague craig melvin joins with what's coming up next on n msnbc. >> we're monitoring several stories, we're talking about mental health screening for pilots in the wake of the deadly crash, also the president of the university of oklahoma is about to announce results from the university's official investigation into that racist video. and the italian court's ruling potentially life changing ruling for amanda knox. we'll have all of that and lots more in a few minutes on msnbc live. ugh... ...heartbu...

Is on the road now with texting and drink and driving. i have not driven a car in seven years. i would like a car that would self-drive me. i feel that would be far safer. >> the statistics on this are stunning. 47 of people in car accidents don't brake at all. computers are better at it. >> let me show you something about computers. last month on cbs "60 minutes," this is what happened when the computer programmers showed how you can hack remotely into the brakes. >> she thinks she's going to stop at those cones. >> let's make sure she doesn't. >> no no no no! oh my god. i can't operate the b...

The united states blaming north korea for the giant cyberattack and terror threats against sony, but while the obama administration is focused on north korea are he had failing to pay atenths to another threat in china. former u.n. ambassador john bolton joins us. is china a player in this? >> the president said today there was no evidence of that. you have to wonder, though, how sophisticated north korea's capabilities are. the fbi statement was interesting. it ascribed responsibility to north korea, but it didn't say it was actually north koreans who did it. so who was it? did they contract ...

The united states blaming north korea for the giant cyberattack and terror threats against sony, but while the obama administration is focused on north korea are he had failing to pay atenths to another threat in china. former u.n. ambassador john bolton joins us. is china a player in this? >> the president said today there was no evidence of that. you have to wonder, though, how sophisticated north korea's capabilities are. the fbi statement was interesting. it ascribed responsibility to north korea, but it didn't say it was actually north koreans who did it. so who was it? did they contract ...