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There are some affluent parts, some working class parts. what we know about his family and where he grew up is that he had a good education from a middle class background. he actually had a computer programming degree from westminster university. but we do also know he was flagged by security services. he was put on a terror watch list for example, and he was put on a no fly list as well. at some point in 2012 it seems, he finally left the country and his family was visited by security services. they told him that their son was now in syria, ana. >> and atika, i understand that the daughter of...

To find this guy. eventually i'm sure he will be found, but it will take a long time. >> and, peter before you go i want to ask you one last question about jihadi john. he has a degree in computer programming. >> that by the way, carol, is very routine. your discussion with atika was interesting. the profile for these guys is exactly this person. university graduate often with a sort of technical degree in computing or engineering. that's overwhelmingly the kind of profile that we've seen in terrorist organizations. you know think about the leader of the 9/11 attacks, he had a doctorate or was...