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Back without them. >> i don't doubt that is a real concern, but a real concern that has been directed at desantis does not make it a legitimate concern. one grounded in reality. and that's the distinction. chris, we have two things happening here. we have a campaign and a disinformation campaign. and you see the merging of these two things come together in the moral panic over critical race theory. right? so on one hand, you have the misinformation campaign, which mischaracterizes a legitimate subfield of academy study. critical race theory has its tenets, has its proponents, has its scholarsh...

Critical race theory. it will be issues around immigration and crime. and in large part, they will manufacture these anxieties and republicans will follow along. i find it fascinating that governor desantis said the premise of this is that parents worry about their kids going to college and being indoctrinated. i would suggest that if parents feel secure in their beliefs and in the beliefs they have instilled in their children, if they feel secure in the beliefs of their family, they're okay with those beliefs being challenged. in fact, the greatest value in public education would be teaching ...

There's a lot of things that keep people away from it. why did you want to run for office? >> the opportunities to make a difference here in maryland are unlimited. i want to run for governor. i'm running for governor because i want to make sure that every marylander can realize their full potential. i want to make sure that we're punching above our weight as a state, not punching below our weight. the national reckoning on race, chris, is taking place here in maryland. and i've spent my entire life, as you know, fighting for economic justice and racial justice. and these are things we want to...

Kind of always in the eye of the beholder. i mean, desantis clearly does not think it's indoctrination, a bad thing, to teach kids communism is bad as a state mandate. that's just education, right? i have no doubt the concern expressed here by governor desantis is real. here's what i mean, because there is something happening in american politics around education, higher education, that is one of the prime drivers of the politics of this moment. so first of all, there's the generational aspect which is young people going off to college, and then coming out of college and into the workforce, ar...

Unions. what's your answer to that? >> of course not. and i'm working with a law firm that is paul sar bain's old law firm. he had a 100% labor record. i'm looking at the law firm that kamala harris's husband worked at for years. some people asked kamala whether she was going to be a challenge there. i'm working there part time, and frankly in a year when i win the governor race, then i will become a governor. and my record on union issues and my record for labor, i'm very proud today. we were at our rollout today, and we had a number of union leaders there with me. i've been fighting for unio...