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They're different where they want to go and how they think they auto get there. >> he's never had a hang over or fistfight in the schoolyard. what do you think, i know you've had both? just guessing. just kidding. >> i think jared kushner is where trump is from, which is the world of finance and real estate and manhattan high society. and steve bannon is where he got to, which is this nationalistic impulse in american politics. i think the main difference is that bannon has a set of policy priorities and kushner has a role and turf. but it's very different. kushner, i don't think he's pursuing...

To go out there and get past their uncertainty and start hiring in 2014? >> i think that's the right question. we have economic momentum, as jim has said. what are we going to do with that momentum? i think there's three things. one, we have to provide more economic certainty. the era of threatening defaults has to be over, the era of shutdowns has to be over. secondly, it's time for the republicans to work with the president on the bipartisan opportunities we have for job creation in housing finance reform, in immigration, on manufacturing. the president has put forward a grand bargain on job...

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