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Illustration of weak the rnc has become in a party that's leaderless. it needs highly function rnc. this is becoming a huge liability. >> chris: ab said it would beer thible if they took the con vention from tampa. they've signed millions of dollars in contracts. this is a pretty empty threat, isn't it? >> completely empty threat. if you want to be a party that says you should be in control of the white house and the control and $4 trillion budget and you can't even get your ducks in a row to put op a show next year, you take it away from tampa and you disappoint one of the most important stat...

Point of pride for the state republicans. they want to take it away from tampa as punishment. >> chris: hasn't the rnc spent money? the convention is in august in tampa in 2012. haven't they already spent money? they would lose a lot. >> not only would they lose a lot but remember this, florida has as many electoral votes as the state of new york. 29. it will probably be the decisive state. i don't think republicans would be keen on the idea of having a huge lot of stories in tampa about lost revenue and broken promises. they don't want to do that. >> briefly, another big issue is the debates,...

In january, republicans should take the national convention away from florida. we're back now with the panel. so, a.b., the rnc set some rules early on and said only the first four. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, could go in february. even else has to go later. the idea is to start later in the season, and not have the big jumble and now florida is talking about we're going to go in january, which means that everybody else would go earlier in january. how big a deal is this? >> a very big deal. florida is obviously a heavyweight state in the process and feels it can position itse...