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Standing up vertically? >> correct. >> okay. with that in mind as best you can, describe the scene that you saw from your perspective. first, tell me about how far away this was that you were looking at. >> it was closer to the sidewalk but not on the sidewalk. >> okay. >> 15, 20 feet? >> i guess, yes. >> okay. if the sidewalk was about fen 20 feet away from your porch to the sidewalk was about 20 feet, would that be about close to act rat? >> 20 feet from the slab of concrete on my porch to the sidewalk? >> yes. >> i guess. >> okay. >> let's use that for now. we'll see how we can tie that up ...