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They're treated differently than men. >> question, how do we have these conversations where it's true, right, it's good to know the way women are perceived differently. it's good, like the confidence code does, to tell women -- and lean in, here are strategies, eye contact, power poses, those sorts of things without letting the men off the hook and letting the institutions and government off the hook for policies that have created the situation where women have to change themselves to be able to get ahead. >> i think we need to take a both-and approach. structural change does not happen overni...

That women apologize more than men. and you know how it is. any time a man does something different than a woman, it's because the woman's doing it wrong. i didn't realize that all this time what was really holding me back was my tendency to be considerate of other people. the part about the shine your hair, well, that was already obvious. so pantene, i'm going to take your advice. here's a list of a few things i'm going to stop apologizing for. first, i'm going to stop apologizing for spending time with my kids. i know facebook coo sheryl sandberg wants me to lean in and hide my family commit...

>> okay, thanks so much. now to an eye-opening new book which looks at why many women still lack confidence no matter how they've accomplished. it's called the confidence code. the science and art of self-assurance. what women should know. and the book's co-author claire shipman is joining me now. you remember back in the day, the makeup room? we'll have a few secrets. between us on that. >> we'll keep that quiet. >> it's really good to sea you. i'm so glad to have you on. you did some great work here. you met with many women in positions of power. many seem to lack a certain boldness, as yo...

>> this age question and i will defer to the women on hillary clinton's comments. >> i thought you might defer to the older people. >> no, to the women. but this age question as it relates to hillary clinton is so fascinating. because it's very, very dangerous territory for critics of hillary clinton. but we talked about age with john mccain and bob dole. remember the whole argument against sarah palin was she was very close, maybe closer than one heart beat away the oval office. so it's a very tough one for opponents of hillary clinton to grapple with. what do you think about what she actuall...

You just don't think it, think i'm going to tell myself i'm good. it's about experience. every time you step outside the comfort zone, it will remind you next time it's okay. >> like exercising a muscle. >> exactly. >> watch out world, here we come. katy kay and claire shipman, you are great. done it again, the confidence code, little birdie tells me it's going to be on the new york times best seller list. the army code causing controversy in the ranks up next. g good. ♪ velocity 1,200 feet per second. [ man #2 ] you're looking great to us, eagle. ♪ 2,000 feet. ♪ still looking very goo...