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Agenda and marshall other votes on capitol hill, that's where having that lack of trust or low numbers really does hinder your ability to get anything done. >> you have a confidence gap with the american people and hurts you in trying to get the legislative points on the board. jonathan, to you. you cover national security. you wrote an article about it today and the president's foreign policy. look at this number when it comes to how people think the president is doing on foreign affairs, 61% disapproval. >> that's right. what we are seeing as a divide in the white house on policy, there's co...

It doesn't work well. we know this. you would never do it, joe, i'm sure. speak loudest or longest. >> no. willie? >> do you think a 22-year-old woman graduating college today has more of the confidence you're talking about than, say, when i graduated college almost 20 years just because of the advancements being made, senators and ceos being women positive role models, you think they have more swagger than they used to? >> we assumed when the started doing the research that would be the case. but anecdotally and all the studies suggest it hasn't changed much. for young women there is still de...

These opportunities, never really giving myself credit, and we all have felt that, but i'm not sure that we all understand what that is meant for us in terms of our careers and katty kay and i are digging into this to say is this real? are there numbers on this confidence gap we were feeling? what are the implications. just the numbers were really interesting to us. for example, hewlett-packard has done a study that has since been replicated. you won't be surprised to know that before women will apply for a job promotion, they usually feel they need 100% of the qualifications kwu imagine what ...

Competence. that's just one of the findings laid out in the new book called "the confidence code." joining me now the woman behind the book and katy kay. >> he guess that at home from me so that's fine. >> we'll get that out of the way. it takes a confident woman to be married to jay carney. what's the biggest finding. >> there were two. one there's a confidence gap between men and women and the data is all there and we need to get over it because the other thing we found as you just suggested when it comes to success you need confidence more than you need competence. for many women that's a w...

That's just one of the findings laid out in the new book called "the confidence code." joining me now the woman behind the book. thank you both for being here. claire happens to be married to jay carney, so i'm sorry for ripping on him at the beginning of the show. >> we'll get that out of the way. it takes a confident woman to be married to jay carney. what's the biggest finding in your book? >> there were two. one there's a confidence gap between men and women and the data is all there and we need to get over it because the other thing we found as you just suggested when it comes to success ...