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To just raise the debt ceiling, citing the fourth section of the 14th amendment of the constitution, which says that the validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. when house democrats brought this up a couple of years ago, president obama said he did not want to do it. he said, congress should be able to handle it. congress cannot handle it. should he, could he, just take the keys away from this child? the great steve kornacki joins us next. stay with us. come on. oh!

Maybe we can get to a position where we make it less bad. and if congress cannot come together on a spending bill by the end of next monday, a week from tomorrow, then on tuesday, next tuesday, the government is going to shut down. back to you in new york. >> and if it does, you'll be there to cover it. peter, thank you. >> if the lights are on. >> who knows. >> we won't shut down. >> okay, good. >> thanks, peter. coming up here on the show, america's favorite family. apparently not welcome at one school. a student forced to remove his "duck dynasty" t-shirt because it was too threatening to...

Troops on the ground, whatever it becomes, apply. domestic law is a little different. we all know that under the war powers act, en, ad in 1973 under president nixn roz veto, the president can start any war he wants, against anybody he wants for 90 days and nothing congress can do it. nevertheless, knowing he has this authority president obama asked for specific authorization to do this, in order to give him, i would suggest some political cover. is the war powers act constitutional? can congress give it warmaking power away to the president? the answer, no. can congress tell the president how...

The penalty. >> what you described is exactly what the irs did. the irs simply disregarded the plain reading of the statute. in past, an agency rule said whether you have an exchange or not, we're going to assess the employer mandate. it's clear that congress did not require the states -- >> but if the agency did that, that's one agency the irs that wants to do that. the labor department, another agency, decided that the tax to protect the consumer from rising deductibles and co-payments, that they could disregard that. so why -- if the labor department can disregard that part, why can't the i...

The penalty. >> what you described is exactly what the irs did. the irs simply disregarded the plain reading of the statute. in past, an agency rule said whether you have an exchange or not, we're going to assess the employer mandate. it's clear that congress did not require the states -- >> but if the agency did that, that's one agency the irs that wants to do that. the labor department, another agency, decided that the tax to protect the consumer from rising deductibles and co-payments, that they could disregard that. so why -- if the labor department can disregard that part, why can't the i...