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The Sunday Show With Jonathan Capehart

about the militia groups involved. meanwhile, the new york times reports that the justice department is seeking the question mike pence in its january six investigation. they want to speak to the former vice president as a witness regarding trump's efforts to overturn the election. all of this is happening as congress faces a lame duck session that's jammed with must -- including raising the debt ceiling. house democrats are working furiously against the clock before republicans takeover with their own agenda in january. joining me now, a congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania. congressman david cicilline of rhode island who's also the author of house on fire. fighting democracy in the age of political arson. congressman stacey plaskett of the virgin islands. they were all impeachment managers in donald trump's second impeachment trial. thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. congresswoman, gonna start with you. this is something i want all of you to react to.

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know him. i didn't know him before he arrived. are we supposed to believe that? >> it's an absurdity. i have to admit to you, i'm fatiguing and maybe you are two of commenting on the lack of moral clarity that is donald trump. we've been doing that for seven and a half years since. he came down that escalator. surprising? no. but his power is waning. that's what he's struggling with. >> congresswoman plaskett, excuse me -- >> judge them by the company they keep. and if we do that, we know exactly who donald trump is. individuals who he won't disown over and over again or claim that he doesn't know. that he now sees the people that are break spread with. that's going to be his campaign. that's where he wants to leave this country. i'm sure the american people and definitely the house democrats are going to push back against it. >> congressman cicilline, i'll give you one crack you got ten

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enforcement in states where they are refusing to implement these gun laws. all talk to my colleagues about what our approach should be with this problem. 60% of counties in this country are refusing to implement the nation's gun laws. we've got to do something about that. >> i mean, he's not wrong. is he, congressman? congresswoman plaskett? >> he's not wrong in terms of the statistics. i would caution against discussion about not funding our frontline individuals in terms of crime that being the police. speak of course in so many communities of color are the ones that need those individuals so much. we, of course, want to push funding more towards community service, giving police officers the kind of support that they need. the kind of education that they need. as well as having background checks on them. when they go in between

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enforce the provision. we took an oath to the constitution of the united states. this is disqualifying. that is if you've been cited an insurrection or assisted in such. as a consequence, donald trump is prohibited from holding office again. we have a responsibility, i believe, to execute that requirement. passing a resolution that details in about 30 pages all of the conduct of the former president as evidence that he did in fact do that. we have other disqualifying information. you have to be 35 years old. you have to be -- our framers of that amendment putting the constitution that the simple idea you can actually run for and federal office if you try to undermine or overthrow the government. you're trying to be a part. of it makes good sense. i will introduce the resolution in the coming weeks with support to my colleagues. >> congresswoman dean, preembargo's going to ask. cicilline says he's going to do that resolution in the coming

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new york times reported this week that the doj is seeking to interview former vice president mike pence. the paper also reports that pence would consider that request more legitimate than the one issued by the january six committee. do you think pence will finally come forward in that venue. >> i do. and of course, i have thought all along from the moment the january six happened that anybody who had any information about what happened on january the 6th should come forward. i don't understand the concern of the vice president and for all he's now published a book about happened to him on january the 6th. so i find it puzzling that he was hesitant at all to come before the house committee. it would be the right thing to do. i think it's a late. he should have been willing to volunteer day one to say exactly what he knew. >> congresswoman cicilline, i want to get your thoughts on that as well. as we mentioned, as i mentioned. there is reporting that january six staffers are upset that

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locales. i think it that i agree with madeleine that the house has done this before. we've passed this repeatedly. assault ban weapons. as well as background checks. even if the senate does not pass it, let's put them on record as to where they stand. while continuing to mount pressure from the american people to those senators who don't support this assault on our young people in our country. >> congressman cicilline, you're a member of the judiciary committee. republican congressman jim jordan who is expected to become chairman of the next congress has been quite vocal about the investigations into the biden ministration that he plans to conduct. there is even top of impeaching various people within the administration. listen to what hausman already leader for the moment kevin mccarthy had to say about homeland security secretary mayorkas. listen to this. this was on tuesday. >> if secretary mayorkas does not resign house republicans

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as well as the so many other cases that are pending around the country. georgia, new york, against the former president. >> congressman cicilline, one way that congress could hold donald trump accountable is by taking action on a piece of legislation that you are pulling together. you sent it -- trying to invoke the section three of the 14th amendment that basically says anybody who is involved in the insurrection if the government should never hold public office again. talk more about that. >> sure, so the 14 amendment specifically prohibits or disqualifies anyone from holding federal office who has incited an insurrection or assisted others and inciting insurrection against the united states. we know there is overwhelming evidence that donald trump did exactly that. section five at the 40 moment specifically authorizes congress to pass legislation to

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