Motivation was and, um just honestly. still after 28 years, just the shock of it. and mcveigh didn't have the benefit if that's the right word of chat rooms, right? i mean to have the kind of conversation and interaction that so readily available today is something that he would not have had at his disposal. what you're absolutely right. i go down to the memorial and speak to school groups, and it's really one of the challenges i have is to, um , try to get them to understand how different the world was in terms of communication and connectedness. and um, you know , i know very few people in 1...