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Anyway. jon: the ukrainians got some in training from the united states and others. here is what retired army lieutenant lirks am collins has to say. >> ukraine's military in 2014 was decrepit. they learned from 8 years of fighting in donbas that the speed of warfare in the 21st century is too fast. it requires a trained military to do that. if you have a conscript army like the russians do you won't be able to initiate at that tactical level. jon: do you agree? the russian army is to heavy and not very nimble. >> i do agree.

A much much more than anything else was that their own army was packed with dissidents the huge demonstration outside the pentagon in one nine hundred seventy two when marines u.s. marines and their ex marines retired and some serving ones in their uniforms on their crutches discomforting in trowing them medals over the fence at the pentagon and chanting a slogan which must have brought fear into the hearts of the hierarchy there ho ho ho cim in the end the left is going to win. that was the last i ever dope a conscript army and to. me

Questions about myeshia, the widow of la david johnson. i want to pick up where we left off. we were talking about john mccain who did not name the president by name but talked about this divide among americans some who were able to get out of being drafted in vietnam, others like him who went. >> well, he didn't do it by name but identified him by his bone spurs as it were. as we've recently been reminded by the ken burns' series, it was a perfect storm hit during vietnam. the baby boom generation feeling its weight and coming of age, huge expansion of college enrollment. into this you had a ...

Talksks about the israeli secury system coming out i have been there a number of times, they do a great job there, but do you give up significant liberties in israel.be you get your car checked, youo have just stepped outside. certain things that i'm not sure americans and people in the u.k. will want to give up. >> i agree, definitely a changey or a comfort zone that needs to be reached in order to be able to adapt to the types of liberties, if you will that you are giving up to be able to assimilate with the type of security that israel demands of its government. the first terror attack in i...

Everybody talks about the israeli security system. and it is great. they do a great job there, but you give up significant liberties in israel. you go to the mall, you get your trunk checked, car checked, you have to step outside. certain things that i'm not sure americans and the people in the u.k. will want to give up. >> i agree, definitely a change or a comfort zone that needs to be reached in order to be able to adapt to the types of liberties, if you will that you are giving up to be able to assimilate with the type of security that israel demands of its government. the first terror atta...