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Leaders that are somewhat abrupt and brisk. leaders that have one standard for the people that they're leading and a different standard for themselves. i just found his leadership lacking. >> pretty interesting stuff. coburn's a smart guy. i mean, a lot of -- my kids like him, one of my boys does, dana. he's got a great representation for fiscal responsibility, that guy, and here he is, weighing in rather soberly, i'd say, against newt. >> he also, chris, has a reputation for honesty, and i don't think these guys have it in for newt for some political reason, because they're romney guys, certa...

Afghanistan. >> if we talk about his way back to not just the middle, but to being a consensus leader, most people -- and we were reminded of this in massachusetts, most people still fear another event like 9/11, and if 9/11 is not necessary, you know, certainly it isn't unnecessary. >> but hold on a second now. i fear -- i fear another 9/11, nicolle. and that is my point. >> this is one of many places. i agree with the point that it's one of probably a dozen places. i don't know if troops are the answer, but it's not an unnecessary battle. >> spy planes, cia people, that's probably what's nec...