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That has been carried out by farmers and businessmen. and there is absolutely no conservation value whatsoever in the canned hunting industry. there is not a single lion specialist that works with any of these operators that works with any of these breeders or hunters. and they will all tell you the lion bred in captivity has no genetic value, it's been bred in captivity, it has lost its fear of humans and that means it's a danger to us. so no conservation value what of so. but for fair chance in the wide protected areas, that is a legitimate debate. >> and ian, is the problem -- was this prob...

>> now, we have a nearly extinct species coming back. i would think the federal government would be thrilled by that. >> you do have to get an exclusion from the federal government and initially the federal government granted the exclusion because it did recognize the conservation value. the ranchers started with a few dozen antelope back in the 1970s and today they have 17,000 antelope on their ranches. it is effective. guess is what. animal rights groups didn't agree and they sued and they went to court. it has been in court for a number of years and as of last week all of the court remedies...