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Conservative line than most, if not all the other democrats in the senate. it will be interesting, jon, to see whether the other democrats in the senate as well as the democratic base are going to be tolerant of that. are they going to give him the room to maneuver to potentially be reelected or are they going to insist on adherence to one particular philosophical line? >> jon: he is replacing the attorney general jeff session's seat. the seat is up for reelection in 2020. doug jones only has two years. that's a blink of an eye in terms of the senate timelines. and his chances of getting reele...

Has a high rating. he's decided that it's the extreme that ben carson is appealing to when in fact ben carson is appealing to a wide swath of american voters. >> i want to show you a column that ran in gq this week with a distasteful headline on it. if we could put that up on the screen, and perhaps to amy's point, is this what happens? can we show that image? there it is. "f ben carson." is this what happens when an african-american totes a republican conservative line? >> michael, i tell you, i took a look at the column. i don't find it offensive. i found it humorous, and if you read the ent...

Trustworthiness. so, there's this mysterious right wing that he has decided and smearing as being extreme that ben carson is appealing to when in fact, he's appealing to a wide swauth of republican voters. >> you're going to get a chance to respond, i promise you. but i want to show you a column that ran in gq and perhaps to amy's point, is this what happens? f ben carson. is this what happens when a african american toets a conservative line? >> i don't find it offensive. i find it humorous. and people who watch fox news has v been incensed as what they view as an attack on ben carson. p we'r...

Wouldn't it help if these details were actually coming out of their mouths? >> sure. i mean, and the health care example, it's back to where you started, martin. it's this notion of kind of psychology and the split personality. romney is the only governor to enact a universal health care plan in the united states. when he did this in massachusetts. the idea, as karen was saying, that they have adopted -- he has adopted this grim, cold, right wing conservative line that the emergency room is fine. that is spoken like a very well-well well-insured person. >> at least he's consistent, because he ...

Angle and say it was a big defeat for the tea party. i would actually argue that it really wasn't, and that it -- both of those races, while they ultimately lost, forced republicans -- changed republicans and made republicans cue to a more conservative line and i think, that they -- i think the only reason they sort of have gone away for a bit it is we have not had election and now we see they are still here and still making a difference. >> jamie: talking about orrin hatch, utah and you also have indiana, with luger. how conservative is conservative enough for someone who is a member and supp...