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Campaign of 1960. democratic presidents were surprised he later turned to conservative. not predicting that, but life is sort of funny sometimes. >> yeah, i'm thinking of earl warren and mr. justice brennan, the latter of whom i named his biggest mistake in office, though in the commercial break i asked tom goldstein if that kind of thing is possible today. and he was a skeptic. he said you look at this list of 25 from the federalist society. they have been vetted to within an inch of their lives. there's no chance, in his view, any whiff of moderation could emerge. >> in the near future. but ...

Issues that are of the moment. what this really comes down to in wisconsin is a question of how independent this court will be of the governor. now, it happens at this point that the court is 4-3 conservative split that leans toward a position of being very favorable toward this governor, not just on this issue but a host of issues. if joanne kloppenburg beats david prosser, the court will be narrowly aligned in opposition to or at least in skepticism toward the governor. that's really what it comes down to. it's a little bigger than just the labor issue. it comes down to some of the core ques...