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The result of constant input from a whole _ the result of constant input from a whole team of people —— is the result— whole team of people —— is the result who _ whole team of people —— is the result who have helped him to grow. having _ result who have helped him to grow. having no _ result who have helped him to grow. having no balance, no social skills, no confidence at very early ages, because — no confidence at very early ages, because we have put so much work and he has _ because we have put so much work and he has put _ because we have put so much work and he has put so...

And the result was one travel delay after another. and three years later, 2015, now, larry was one furious 74 year old man. >> kauai is a murderers paradise. if you want to kill somebody, come to kauai. you've got probably about 80, 90% chances of getting away with it. and i firmly believe that. >> there was never any point during this process where the file was just sitting on the shelf getting dusty. there is always something that was being done. another piece of evidence that was being tested. another witness that was being look for. >> but you must have been ready to let it go as some poin...

>> but you must have been ready to let it go at some point, said, we can't do this, just forget about it. >> that conversation happened any number of times over the years, but at each time we said no, there's got to be a way to move this forward. >> it was larry's kind of constant input, part of the thing that kept you going here? >> of course. i mean none of us wanted to get that call saying, hey, larry's -- larry wants to see you right away and he's not happy. >> when we spoke to larry in 2015 darren's trial was on the calendar for march of the following year, and the odds larry gave of that...