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Ever-sewa ever-evolving and living. that was not the original intent with the founders and it's really the definition of the progressive movement. back with our panel. we're looking at progressives. america, i and i want to go to the law here. i want to go to r.j. r.j., help me out because my memory is sketchy here. i'm trying to remember the name of the guy, i believe he was the head of harvard law in about 1920. he's the guy who made a fundamental change in america. they no longer studied the constitution or constitutional law or the founders. they changed to study case law, which again no r...

Tradition of the american founding. franklin roosevelt did that as well. so to the extent that people become aware of what is really at work in the progressive movement, both of yesterday and today, that is the only hope we have. >> at hillsdale college where r.j. and i both teach we have a required course on the constitution. i think if we had colleges and schools across the nation requiring courses on the constitution, studying the document, what does it say and then what do other people say that it sasays, people can see dichotomy and how they different and go from there. >> glenn: the inte...

They detested the constitution because the constitution put limits on the national government which were designed to uphold those rights. as you said in the introduction, the progressive dream was one of unlimited national government, redistribution of wealth was part of that plan. progressives knew political founders stood in their way. so it's to move beyond the constitution. do you agree with that here? >> it is. i think it's even more in that there is an assumption about human nature that's built into progressivism. >> glenn: okay. let's get into that in a second. i know where you are goin...

Tradition of the american founding. franklin roosevelt did that as well. so to the extent that people become aware of what is really at work in the progressive movement, both of yesterday and today, that is the only hope we have. >> at hillsdale college where r.j. and i both teach we have a required course on the constitution. i think if we had colleges and schools across the nation requiring courses on the constitution, studying the document, what does it say and then what do other people say that it sasays, people can see dichotomy and how they different and go from there. >> glenn: the inte...

With the chains of the constitution, so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. that is the founders saying you are never going to perfect people. it's always going to be this way. >> if you give somebody too much power, eventually that power will corrupt that person and ultimately the nation. you have to have separation of powers according to the founders. wilson wanted centralization of power because you have to centralize power to accomplish government programs to redistribute the wealth and improve society. along the direction of progressives wanted. >> glenn: okay. ...