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>> where do you come down on how many articles they should be and does it include past alleged obstruction in the mueller case? >> ari, all of that is being discussed right now sense the speaker assigned chairman nadler and our committee to look at articles of impeachment. we're still in this process. i will tell you this: what we saw with ukraine is so much worse than what we saw with the mueller report in this respect. this all happened while the president was in the white house as the president of the united states. this complete abuse of that office and of the sacred trust that voters have...

Thought there were acts in the mueller report that were impeachable acts, at least five of the ten instances of obstruction of justice. what occurs to me is however we approximate draft the articles, they are literally following a pattern of behave r i don't, a pattern of abuse of power, a pattern of obstruction of justice, and a power of subverting the nation's office for personal political gain. i think showing that pattern in the articles that we draft is very important. this is not the first time that this president has done this. the president started with russia, are you listening? went ...

Founders of this country insisted on and not abuse the process. otherwise, ari, i think the senators are complicit in covering up the acts that trump has committed because they turned the trial into a farce. >> you served in this institution, you bend not only on the senate floor but in those private cloak rooms. i was a staffer. i would watch people like you when i worked in the senate. and there was sometimes more collaboration or comedy across party lines behind closed doors than in public. i wonder if you can give us insight into what your former republican colleagues are thinking privatel...

Congress, directly under oath to say if it is true that there was no contact with the budget officials, people writing the article ls of impeachment need to know that. but the white house doesn't get to just say it. somebody has to say it under oath. donald trump is not going to do that. they're going to boycott the process, as some kind of signal to his supporters that the best way to deal with the overwhelming evidence in that report is to just ignore it. just pretend the 300 pages don't exist. but the pages will be detailed when the committee and lawyers did so much questioning, they'll be ...

But i think there's a lot of information. >> one more thing i wanted to ask you, is chairman schiff also taking the lead in writing these articles? >> chairman nadler is the leader on writing the articles. but of course with all of the chairs who have been involved they're all going to be a part of that consultation process. and speaker pelosi is obviously going to have a big say in all of this as well. but chairman schiff, the intel committee will present their report, not the chairman, but the council will report. the fact that the president does not want to come and testify says everything ...