President zelenskyy, especially the more needy ones, the more serious ones will probably be done behind closed doors. although ukraine does have a contact point, it's not a nato member yet. nato is going to be a little bit careful and leadership will be cautious with regard to what they say publicly. n nato -- there are things that a country has to do to join. it doesn't sound like nato is there yet with ukraine at this exact moment. >> this comes on the heels of that failed mission in russia by that wagner group. how remarkable do you think this is that it's kind of been swept under the rug a...