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Ukrainian positions which the rgzs are trying to do with artillery in place right in those areas. >> yeah, puts ukrainians in a difficult position militarily. steve, i want to ask you we've reported on this power plant in the past. i think there were a lot of concerns at the very start of the war, but there were also overstatements on what was possible and what wasn't possible given how these plants are actually structured now. i want to walk if you could on what the actual misnomers are on what could happen in a situation like this. >> sure, thanks, phil. so a couple of things. the zaporizhzh...

Been a partial meltdown at the reactor that we know called the santa susana field lab. they obtained documents and photos and also film footage. >> 13 of the 43 uranium fuel elements eventually became overheated. the fuel swelled and size and structural damage was sustained. >> a partial meltdown occurred in the reactor that had no containment structure. the activity was so high that they had to open this huge garage typed or to try to vent the radioactivity out. one scholar had estimated that the radio active iodine from the meltdown could have been 250 tons greater than the amount released -...

Quiet >> so over the years, they built ten nuclear reactors. plutonium-fueled. dangerous rare earth and made nuclear fuel out of it, and a hot lab in which they shipped in and radiated nuclear fuel to be cut apart. none of those had a containment structure. those domes. they're just regular rooms. >> most well-known of those, a reactor was called the sodium reactor experiment. >> the sodium reactor experiment was different. >> built for industrial application, medical research and scientific exploration. >> on the first full power run, all systems operated smoothly, and full power was obtained...

Reactor that we now call santa susana. they obtained footage. and documents. of the inside of the melted core. >> the fuel swelled in size and structural damage was sustained. >> partial meltdown occurred in a reactor with no containment structure. the radioactivity was so high they had to open this huge garage-type door to try to vent the radioactivity out. to the rest of l.a. one scholar estimated that the release from the melt down could have been 250 times greater than that from three mile island. this is a smaller reactor. it had nothing to prevent the radio activity from getting out. the...

Incredibly irresponsible. shelling a nuclear power plant. it was just by shear luck that they didn't actually breach the containment structure and create radioactive release. they're being irresponsible about this. what they're trying to do here is take control of critical infrastructure, the energy, the gas for heating, water, food, put the ukrainian population under siege and try to break their will. >> let's look at this larger geopolitical issue here. here is ukraine. this is this wall of nato allied countries. ukraine is not a member of nato. if russia were to attack them, nato article 5 ...