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He's colluded with the russians. a memo can be a part of partisan distraction, especially in a pivotal moment in history. context matters. let's turn to tom bevin, co-founder and publisher of real clear politician. tom, it was pointed out in another network, the top four stories being aggregated by real clear politics where all of this same ilk. what does this say about the national discussion? >> well, look, shep, there's interest in obviously in this memo and certainly among republicans, among partisans because of the way it's been described by the people in congress who have seen it. they h...

Lanza, who was the former deputy communications director for the trump campaign. he said he never said what the congresswoman said. he snad a tweet, it was fabricated. general kelly says the exact same words the congresswoman said. was the president not telling the truth? >> i hear it differently than you. i hear context. context matters. what the congresswoman is trying to portrait is a harsh context. when you hear what general kelly says, there is a huge distinction. i think the president is saying that's not what he said, it's not the context. i think that's the criticism is unfair. this is...

Said he knew what he signed up for. it made the widow begin to cry. let's speak with retired general michael hayden. context matters. i didn't hear this conversation. you didn't hear it. we don't know. the president off talks in glowing terms about the military. at the same time there seems to be a fundamental question whether or not he knows how to do the job. what is your take? >> well, it is a very difficult job, chris. for those who want to criticize the president who haven't yet had to do that, i would say be a little bit kind. now, i have had to do that. there are very few good things yo...

Turmoil. >> as a rule, a lot of turnover, a lot of turnover could be a trouble. certainly in the opening months, that turnover was trouble. if you can't keep skill, quality people, somebody like dubke, they can't stay -- other times, firings are the sign of a well-run organization, and in the case of tom price, it would've been inexcusable to let him stay. it would have been a sign of dysfunction had he remained. in this case, context matters. maybe at some of the changes before were a sign of an unhealthy administration. this is the sound of the president has confidence in his chief of staff....

That last part is key. it's also the key to the controversy because arpaio was accused of rounding people up that looked like undocumented immigrants. and this goes back, again, many years. context matters. this was not an isolated incident. arpaio forced incarcerated inmates to live in an outdoor tent city he likened to a concentration camp. he was cited for segregating latinos within the population. he had an unusually high suicide rate of inmates, problems with his officers assaulting people. the contempt order and the instant controversy stems, again, from a 2011 justice department investi...