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European would see it yeah i think so i mean we both grew up in canada but we live here. for a long time in europe and i've always had that sense here in europe that because so much of nature is cultivated and domesticated i guess that it's almost as if society is above nature it's sort of like a garden concept they've got everything set in sort of nature is a place you go for walks and so on where in the north american context nature is more law and is seen as something more powerful than society and dangerous in the grand canyon is an example that i think as you can see how the grand canyon ...

A symbol of america and i think it's interesting because when the national park service what it was declared a national park under a hundred years ago i think it did mark a shift in americans perception of themselves in regards to nature because before that i think the main image americans have was themselves assemblers of as pioneers who were there to exploit nature because the conquerors do you know to force where they are to be cleared land was they are to be plowed to be productive and i think with the designation of the national heritage sites with the national park service being founded ...