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Wall's immoral, well then, you got to do something about the vatican, because the vatican has the biggest wall of them all. the wall is immoral. look at all of the countries that have walls and they work 100%. >> reporter: the effects of this shutdown now literally piling up. mountains of trash spotted on the national mall. 800,000 government workers furloughed or working without pay. even harder hit, at least 2,000 contract workers like janitors who may never get any of their back pay. still, today, the president publicly rejected a $2.5 billion compromise proposed to democrats by his own vic...

Budgeting that often gets lost. howie: you are saying this is something the president promised to do. therefore, you are saying -- >> for him to own it is a good thing because this is what he promised. howie: i think there will be a growing public backlash. i think the country's reaction has been muted because most of people are on vacation. but now i think we'll see more stories about the 800,000 federal workers being denied paychecks and they are worried about paying the mortgage. >> contract workers won't get paid at all. there was a wall. but mexico was going to pay for it. now we are havi...

It's about detail issues and budgeting that often gets lost. howie: you are saying this is something the president promised to do. therefore, you are saying -- >> for him to own it is a good thing because this is what he promised. howie: i think there will be a growing public backlash. i think the country's reaction has been muted because most of people are on vacation. but now i think we'll see more stories about the 800,000 federal workers being denied paychecks and they are worried about paying the mortgage. >> contract workers won't get paid at all. there was a wall. but mexico was going t...

Simple as that. won't be able to put food on the table for my two great grands. >> with us now, what stories are you hearing. we need to reiterate, it isn't just numbers, we're throwing out 350,000 people. 14,000 at the epa overnight. these are people with lives. help us understand what they're going through. >> lyla is one of so many thousands of stories of contract workers. in this area, they represent around 2,000 federal contract workers. some work at the smithsonian, some at the interior, department of ag. these are folks that for the most part live paycheck to

Feel the pressure, because the president did say that he was wearing the mantle for this shutdown. despite all the tweets where he's now trying to transfer the blame to the democrats, i think the polls show clearly that people dominantly blame the republicans. and there is real hardship. now, the federal employees will get their back pay, and if this goes into, say, the second week in january, they're going to be okay as long as it doesn't go further than that. but contract workers who tend not to be a really sympathetic group, you think of contract people, you think of defense contractors, bu...