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Cut waste and fraud. that's also easy. they say they want to negotiate with drug companies. let's pause there for a second. i thought the obama health care bill did not allow us to negotiate with drug companies. where is that coming from? >> look, one thing they'll be sitting down and talking about is new way toss control costs in health care spending across the board, and i think that's precisely the distinct you want to make here. there's no doubt, cenk, and you know this as well as i do, that health care spending -- and it's worse in the private sector, is on an unsustainable course. what t...

How much do you get from this? >> well, our office of collective bargaining estimated that statewide it is about $1.3 billion. but, the real issue and the real savings is going to come from local governments who now have the ability to manage and control costs. let me give you in a example. in my small county of 40,000 people, by the way, who have zero collective bargaining, this bill alone will save the equivalent of 5 sheriffs deputies and so that is the kind of savings we're trying to give local budgets and governments the control over and one more deputy on the street, every shift. rick: y...

Election brothers we get there. we need to start campaigning. >> when you talk about creating a private market inpen ge indep our employer are you saying you want to dismand dismantle the e? >> they would have the opportunity to offer health insurance. members of the senate get their insurance that way. you get medical payment and utes that money on average 72 percent of the plan. you use that money to go out to an employer -- i am sorry to an insurance marketplace and buy the health insurance you can wao buy. if you can give consumer more healthcare dollar control you would have vibe bran see...

There are plans, the republicans do have plans on this. you can't do it all in this big health care package. the president promised to do it all. either you're going to cut costs and control costs, or you're going to have universal health care. you can't do it all. >> john, you have to understand your party is completely hypocritical about this. democrats are wrong about the debt sometimes, wrong i think about some of the labor issues. but your party's dead wrong about health care. you've never pushed a national health care plan to cover the 30 million to 50 million people uninsured. you've ne...

By 1980, 9% of all the dollars we spent went to health care. by 1990 it was up to 12%. by 2000 almost 14%. and by last year our health care spending constituted more than 17% of our entire economic output as americans. we now spend one out of every $6 in our entire economy on health care. in ten years it's projected to be one in $5. not one in six. one of every $5 we spend in our whole economy will be spent just on our own health care. and that's with not even covering everyone. other industrialized countries cover everyone and have actual systems which control costs. the uk for example while ...