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Did you personally overreach yourself, push yourself too far in russia? you were supremely wealthy for a time, i think you claimed at one point you were worth $15 billion. your interests went beyond your bank, but they also included shipbuilding, also included one of the most valuable coal fields. mining company, it was biggest in the world. yes, but you were building these assets. i built it before putin, you have to understand. yes, but then you need to understand that those assets became strategic. they became things that the kremlin wanted to have close control of. and, therefore, when you...

Overreach yourself, push yourself too far in russia? you were supremely wealthy for a time, i think you claimed at one point you were worth $15 billion. your interests went beyond your bank, but they also included shipbuilding, also included one of the most valuable coal fields. mining company, it was biggest in the world. yes. but you were building these assets. i built it before putin, you have to understand. yes, but then you need to understand that those assets became strategic. they became things that the kremlin wanted to have close control of. and, therefore, when you and your bank hit ...

Did you personally overreach yourself, push yourself too far in russia? you were supremely wealthy for a time, i think you claimed at one point you were worth $15 billion. your interests went beyond your bank, but they also included shipbuilding, also included one of the most valuable coal fields. mining company, it was biggest in the world. yes. but you were building these assets. i built it before putin, you have to understand. yes, but then you need to understand that those assets became strategic. they became things that the kremlin wanted to have close control of. and, therefore, when you...

We have done a complete search of all the residences, and we will report back anything that has been found, we're getting to the bottom of this were cooperating with the national archives and with the doj and other authorities. if they had done that, they still would've, obviously, been subject of the same level of criticism whataboutism which is really central to republican talking points on everything anyway. it is a whataboutism, he did have classified documents after years of this whole extended drama with trump, they're not the same. but it almost doesn't matter, because it continues to b...

Explodes into a -- kind of a scandal that they're losing control of. that's what's perplexing, is how the white house has handled this. classic of crisis communication, you rip the band-aid, and they've done the opposite of that here and it's very perplexing. >> joyce, we have been discussing here the difference between the political implications surrounding this and the legal ones. so to ken's point right now, why they waited, for example, several months when they found out just befores? joyce, is that a political question? does that have legal questions surrounding it as well? >> so i think ...