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Back with us for the interview is dave laufman. till this february, he served in the national security division of the justice department. he was chief at the counter intelligence and expert control section. as such he oversaw a number of very high profile investigations including the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and before the special counsel was appointed, the investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. thank you for staying with us. and i know that a lot of these matters that are ongoing investigations is still are things you can't comment on in terms of your role in t...

Their legal authority or abusing it. whether it is putting pressure on the department to curtail ongoing legitimate investigations or threatening the pardon of individuals for apparently partisan reasons. all those things should be something that puts the country's collective hair on fire. we count on our elected officials to be a bulwark against that kind of abuse of power. they are failing in that task today. >> our guest is dave laufman who is a senior official at the department of justice. the national security division. evers the chief of counter intelligence in the control section. we'll...