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They saw desert storm, 1991 the prowess of the united states. before that we had been involved in vietnam on low technology. we recovered from that largely due to the reagan administration which got us on a proper footing with the soviet union and upscaled all our military capabilities. the american people didn't really know how good we got until he saw that. guess what. so did russia and southern china and both of them. as a result of that and the iraq invasion in 2003 was another data point for them. they made this conclusion. we don't want to fight a war with united states, conventional war...

So we have a situation, we have leaders who are not forced to reckon with strategy and adaptability. we have enemies like china and russia who do, they grasp the new rules of war. we are playing by war's old rules. we think that if there is going to be a war with china or if there is going to be a war with russia, it will be fought like conventional war. it won't. there's ten new rules of war, the first of which is conventional war is dead. there's nothing more unconventional today than a conventional war. >> so, sean, our country has been at war since 2001. >> right. >> it's a very long time....

Mindset. >> but, still, can we win in afghanistan? i'm curious what that looks like and, quite frankly, what winning in syria looks like as well. but just to answer the question what does it look like in afghanistan and can we? >> didn't you hear me dodging your question, mika? >> yeah, i did. i went right after you. >> yeah. to a degree i think that we can, but what does it look like? it looks like something where afghanistan, the people of afghanistan, which i think includes the taliban, they come to this decision that, guess what, there's not going to be a clear military victory and so we'r...

We really are, we are in an age of complexity when we're trying to deal with these extraordinarily difficult problems and we are trying to do it with traditional methods, traditional tools at hand because it's what we built, it's how we trained our people and it's how we as a people sometimes think. we want to start a war, advance across europe, take berlin and then declare victory. in this age that's not going to happen, nor are we going to have an age in which you have a failure of politics and then you transition to war, go i have it over to generals and they fight the war and then they giv...

Ventura and jamie lee curtis criticized the president as if it is his fault. rachel: i heard the word north korea more over the last year and i heard the last eight years to more signal to me this is a big problem donald trump decided to take on. it's a hard like you said he was dealt a tough fan, but this is a president who's not trying to kick this down the road. they actually give credit to the president for the meetings coming up better a little bit of a break. pete: if you're willing to embrace this terrible situation from a suddenly now own it and you have to give the president a lot of ...