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And a lot of that will be very telling. and we will know as time goes by, either what we actually will never know or, obviously, substantively, what will be revealed publicly. >> we know what we will never know. i like that version of the known unknowns. mark zaid and, attorney specializes in cases involving national security and security clearances. fascinating conversation mark. thank you for your time. >> thanks, alex. >> a justice department that is usually loathe to share details about its investigations merrick garland's doj has done an about face this week. up next, one of president oba...

Conversation mark? it sounds like we are going to go to the capitol. he did not look up for his, phone and said something to the effect of there is a lot going on casts, but i don't know, things might get real real battle on january 6th. >> that was just one of the explosive resident revelations from cassidy hutchinson this week. she also testified that she recalled hearing the terms, proud boys, and oath keepers when rudy giuliani was around the white house in the days leading up to january 6th. members of both of those groups have been charged with seditious conspiracy for their roles in the...

All right. i want to bring into the conversation mark who is an investigative reporter for the "baltimore sun" which as i said has done some really stellar investigative reporting into the baltimore police department. leon taylor retired baltimore police officer who worked for years. maybe, leon i can start with you. i know you're a veteran of the baltimore police department, and i got to tell you, talking to people here there was not a lot of positive feeling toward the baltimore police department and not just among people that folks watching at home might describe as young roughians or hooli...