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People's business. what he sees he keeps to himself. it's none of his business. inmates are one that would tell in a minute. they're rats. i'm a straight convict. i'm not an inmate. >> robert spears was your typical convict. he had done a lot of time. he had lived very distinctly by the convict code and he was very accepting of his situation. he didn't complain. he didn't blame anybody. he was a tough guy. >> when i came to prison, i was a kid. i had to do what i had to do to survive and i'm not proud of the things sometimes that i had to do. some people has to be hurt, i've been hurt. you kno...

Because of the bond that i feel like we have with these inmates and the understanding of why we're there and what we're there to achieve. having said that, though, i'm not naive. there is always the possibility that something could happen. >> we're told we have to prepare for that. but we always have staff around us in the case of doing a one-on-one interview i tend to get fairly close to the person i'm interviewing because it's how i can engage and have communication and always talked to my camera crew that god forbid that something happens i have faith that they as well would step in because...

They come over here and now it's payback time. they think that badge gives them power, that badge is only an illusion of power. that power can be stripped and taken away in a moment's notice. >> and you help them see? >> no, allegedly. >> yes, alejandro was playing a cat and mouse game, absolutely. part of it it could have been the convict code not to reveal too much information, and part of it could very have been the fact that he was kind of delighted to be out of his cell and able to have this exchange and kind of get people going. >> but eventually, steele came clean about the attack on th...

It. >> we had numerous off-camera conversations, but everything switched when it became an on-camera interview. there's a convict code that many of these guys have to live by. and part of that code is to not reveal too much information. the most challenging part of interviewing alejandro steele was when i started asking him about his most visible crime. >> that crime occurred while steele was serving his original sentence and got him an additional 23 years. it was an assault that he carried out literally in front of a jury of his peers. >> i saw basically the whites of his eyes and i saw him c...

Because i seen blood on my shoes. >> two weeks after his stabbing ellerman has returned to general population. >> i was stabbed ten times. i think i won the fight, he won the war. >> stafford received a year in the hole despite ellerman's refusal to cooperate with the investigation. it's all part of the convict code. >> i'm a convict. you don't tell nothing. that's just the way it is. i mean i've got to live here the rest of my life. i don't want anybody thinking that i'm weak, that i'm going to talk, that i'm going to say anything about anything. i'm not mad at the guy. if more people would d...