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Point in time in which if you have a joint defense agreement and you're going to be doing something that is sort of adverse to the interests of other members of that joint defense agreement, you have to withdraw from it. so presumably that could be why we were hearing about manafort pleading guilty earlier in the week. we weren't hearing about cooperation, and i think that came as a surprise to everyone. but it could be that, you know, his lawyers notified giuliani or other trump lawyers that they were going to withdraw from the joint defense agreement, and that is why you started hearing more...

>> london went through in in 2005 with the horrible bombings and attacks on the 7th of july, 2005. the first is that you have effective intelligence efforts national and international. and you get the citizens on your side. you need people to be on your side. and that's why the call of the mayor for people to work with the nypd is right. >> world leaders have been meeting to talk about a coordinated effort to intensify the fight against isis. we have seen the strikes on raqqah. is more cooperation part of the answer here? >> it's part of the answer. i mean, obviously, you are living in a globa...

It's the cooperation part that i think needs to be understood here, not the aims on the ground. >> let's take the general's point, kirk. how do you cooperate with someone who is doing what you don't want them to do, besides not shooting each other in the air. >> i think you put your finger on the limits of it. i wouldn't say you could call it cooperation. we do have fundamentally different goals. russia is there to support the assad regime. we're there to try to go after isis which russia so far has not shown interest in doing. we have to coordinate, so if we have forces operating in the same ...