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That lawyer has with his old cronies in the office to get a good deal. so what michael cohen's looking at now is going in there, talking with prosecutors. he will engage with what is known as a proffer session which he will be what's called queen for the day, meaning everything that he tells them could not be used against him. you can look at the veracity of that point. likely they know it but they're looking for michael cohen to verify that. but then it's cooperation. the cooperation process is a long one. >> caroline, stand back for a second. bob, come in on this. i want to know what your re...

Activity that he has to plead guilty to that the government doesn't know about. that's part of the cooperation process. and he may be doing a calculation as to how much more he to give up in order to cooperate. >> it is a fascinating case. we don't always build an entire legal exploration off a tom arnold photo. i have to say that as a caveat. but the photo is not about tom arnold. it's about michael cohen's state of mine and the pressure building on him as all of this stuff comes out, which is fascinating. as mentioned some of that began with mr. michael avenatti's civil litigation. some of i...

Likely that he's going to cooperate. tin critical thing for him rate now is to try to figure out what charges the government right now has against him. because, by all accounts, for someone who has been in some shady businesses for decades, there may be a lot more criminal activity that he has to plead guilty to that the government doesn't know about. that's part of the cooperation process. and he may be doing a calculation as to how much more he to give up in order to cooperate. >> it is a fascinating case. we don't always build an entire legal exploration off a tom arnold photo. i have to sa...

If you're facing years in prison, you have to feel abandoned by this president and wants to make s if he faces indictment and prosecution that there may be some legal way out for him in the form of a pardon. >> talk about this flipping, daniel. something that's come up a lot over the last few months. when a witness agrees to cooperate, what does that mean and look like? >> contrary to popular belief, the government is not out there trying to coax a potential witness into a deal that they just give out. the cooperation process is very long. it's very extensive. i'll speak to the southern distri...