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You have a lot of sort of conjecture of what the trump campaign did or what the trump campaign didn't. you have a vendor who reached out to assange, who not -- we didn't know anything about it. reached out and assange turned them down. but when you look at it compared to what else exists, is we have one campaign -- >> were you aware, during the campaign, if papadopoulos had this conversation with the russian professor and had been in contact with paul manafort about it? >> no. >> so there was stuff going on in the campaign that other people would not be aware of. >> yes. but let's look at what...

Off the edge a little bit. ♪ let's be careful out there >> at the time, steven bochco was a very successful producer of hour dramas and wanted to try something brand-new. >> we're the police! we have a warrant for your arrest. >> so his idea was to combine a gritty cop show with a broadway musical. >> i saw one in which a bunch of gang bangers were in jail. they began to sing. life in the hood ain't no pizza pie, everybody die when the bullets fly. ♪ life in the hood ain't no pizza pie, people die when bullets fly ♪ >> and i said wait a minute. i thought this is it. this is great. this i...

Okay, they call this a television series. but we're going to make one-hour movies every single week. >> here we go. stand by. >> action. >> police. >> just describing the show as a new wave cop show. >> it's a cop show for the '80s. we use a lot of mtv images and rock music to help describe the mood and feeling of our show. >> in a lot of ways you don't get "miami vice" without mtv because in a lot of ways "miami vice" was a long video. the music was such a big part of that show. >> there was an allure to using great music that everybody was listening to as opposed to the routine kind of tv sc...

So we needed to compete, and i felt that if we didn't, we were going to kind of get swept out. so i came up with the notion of doing a cop show that was "r" rated. when abc's broadcast standards read our script, they went berserk. >> i was sitting with a pen and a pencil drawing pictures of breasts to try to show them what we would show and wouldn't show. grown-ups sitting in a room doodling. >> then we started on the language. >> we heard it with the brains of a flea and the balls of a moth. >> the program premiered with an advertising boycott. >> channel 7, shame on you! >> but it was such a...

So, we needed to compete. i felt that if we didn't, we were going to, you know, kind of get swept out. >> son of a -- >> and so i came up with the notion of doing a cop show that was r rated. when abc's broadcast standards read our script they went berserk. >> i was sitting with a pad and a pencil drawing pictures of breasts to try to show them what we would and wouldn't show. grown ups, doodling. >> then we started on the language. >> we heard some reporter called the low life ass hole with the brains of a fleet. >> the program premiered with an advertising boycott. >> it was such an immediat...