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>> right. talk to us about who was named. ben rhodes, for example, a very prominent figure in the obama white house was named throughout this and their response to this. >> yeah. so the, you know, names like you said,bo ben rhodes, it names collin call, and he's identified in this as the ops chief, an operational chief, again, using the language of a military analysis of an insurgency. their analysis was there was no organization and this was a fever dream by those in the white house. that said, in defense -- slightly in defense of those who believed what was in the memo, they -- you can under...

Conversation for an hour, hour and a half, let me hear how we can begin to bridge this. i also think this, he has a huge asset in police commissioner bratton. if he didn't have bratton now, he'd be in deep trouble. >> why do you say that? >> bratton is regarded as the best police chief in the country and came in with rudy giuliani when murder rates in new york were extraordinarily high. 2 2r 2,200 murders in 1991 and now we're down to 300 murders. they got that started under bill bratton. police chief for boston, police chief for new york twice, police chief of los angeles. he's respected by c...