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To navigate their way through life, how doses, or maybe not particularly well -- handle being upset, maybe angry at the workplace, but they did have coping behaviors, and now all of a sudden those coping behaviors are not what they should be. they are not relying on them. so i found it very interesting when both of these were back to back. and also made me wonder about the copycat, or the contagion effect in the shootings that we have seen in younger shooters. >> andrew, in your experience from a law enforcement perspective, in, data do massive should come in waves of travelers like that? whet...

The focus on the ripple effect of violence. what were some of the key findings? >> well, one of the key findings was that there was a copycat effect when these cases occurred, which meant that after one shooting occurred, then the level of violence increased, there are more threats of violence in the more additional shootings. and as the shootings got more sensational, then prior shooters became, as andy said, they're inspirational, they become folk heroes, and new shooters aspire to be like dylan chalybeate in eric harris. there is that influence of people that were involved in this type of b...

Kind of behavior. we first -- we really first studied copycat effect following the suicide of marilyn monroe. but that wasn't the first time that lots of human behavior influenced other humans to do the same thing. and so it's not unusual that this copycat behavior is part of what we see with mass shootings and it still continues. it's just when you have older men, 67, 68, 72, peer influence is not nearly as important if you are 20 or 21 where what other people think of you is really important. that's another reason these are outliers to me. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. coming up n...

Clearly has some sort of an obsession with violence if, in fact, it is this person, and that it is somebody who has an obsession with perhaps school shootings, as well, or some mass shooting. that's something that needs to be looked at. i think that's something we need to address in this country. when are we picking up the phone here? we're conditioned to see something, say something, kind of the new york city area mantra when it comes to terrorism. when are we going to do that when it comes to people that are in our communities? >> tom, we had that conversation with ben collins earlier, talki...

Classroom where there were children inside. >> there was no hesitation. no hesitation whatsoever. we're thankful for their training, that they did exactly what they were trained to do. >> in alabama last week, a man was shot and killed by a resource officer after he attempted to enter an elementary school where 34 children were attending a literacy camp. he was also trying to forcibly enter a patrol vehicle and was killed after an altercation with the officer at the school. >> he went straight to the threat, confronted it and dealt with it. it ended in unfortunately the death of the suspect, b...