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Representply indication effect. there's gun violence in america which grinds on day after day and the majority of gun fatalities in the country are suicides when you just look at homicides there are many. most are not done in this fashion obviously. there's this sort of zing phenomenon which there is evidence is a kind of replica replicating phenomenon. what does that mean? >> there's a so-called copycat problem with the attacks. we're living in a media environment now where there's much greater awareness of this. when it happens, the images and details circulate so fast and often there's kind...

Factor, the copycat problem is actually far more serious than many people realize. it's something that many of us who've studied this issue have long known in a basic sense and suspected, but the research that is emerging now from the fbi, which studies this problem, and from forensic psychologists shows that there are many cases where people who not only do this crime, carry out mass shoot gds, but also the many hundreds of people who may be considering it, many of them are influenced by what they see on television and on the news about the people who commit the crimes. it's sensationalized t...

Creating concern that they might carry out an attack like this. and often it is the kind of young males that we see carrying out these crimes. what can be done to try to steer them in a different direction. that's the imperative of it. >> there's also this broader question, right? when you zoom out past mass shootings, something you've been reporting on. it just is the case that more guns mean more gun fatalities. and that's true as a sort of correlation across states, particularly when you look at suicides and homicides, and that's a sort of iron law that i think people are pretty reticent, p...