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Listening to morris give his reasons for why we are at a watershed moment, do you think it's a sustainable position for a politician to be against it? >> i think it's important for any person leading the party and the party in particular to continue to support our core values, and that includes traditional marriage and that's what we're going to continue to do, support traditional marriage, but look at the bigger picture as we're doing here at cpac. the key issues folks are concerned with are jobs and the economy and reigning in the size of government. that's what we'll focus on -- >> traditio...

Are going to handle ourselves in the hard times. these are hard times. so we need to redouble our efforts and do more, not less. and if anything, you know what? history would say that we are unworthy of the gifts we have been given, if we do anything less. the first thing that needs to be said. we cannot abandon our principle, which i say are timeless. the only reason we are in politics is because we care about a set of principles. we have core convictions. a victory requires us to give principles up, there is no reason to be involved in politics. now, fortunately, we are nowhere near that poi...

In one fell swoop. first in denver and then last night on foreign policy. it's a really bold, audacious gambit. it does raise the question, and i think the question has been asked for the entire time he's been running for president, what does mitt romney actually believe, what's in his heart, what are his core convictions? just making a mistake, if this succeeds, what he's done here, he'll be rewriting the rules for the rule book for presidential politics for years to come. >> forever. ron, it seems to me though there are reasons to believe why he couldn't escape the commitments he made. he si...

Way over the course of the summer, into the fall. instead, governor romney kept very much in the hard right mode all through the summer and into the early fall, and then suddenly in the debates, in the month of october, he did something really out of character for most presidential candidates. he made his lurch to the center in one fell swoop. first in denver and then last night on foreign policy. it's a really bold, audacious gambit. it does raise the question, and i think the question has been asked for the entire time he's been running for president, what does mitt romney actually believe, ...

Who doesn't mean what he says, who will say whatever it takes to get laekelected. by the way, that has been the narrative of romney. that the democrats and the obama campaign dispensed with early. they made the decision to paint him as a latter day barry goldwater because it poll tested bertd than the focus groups when they talked about romney as a flip-flopper. that may be so. romney is a guy that lacks ate lot of core convictions. now obama comes back to it, and that's what he harps on in the debate. >> do you think we have different expectations for candidates depending on whether they're a...