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Democracy and the slow process of creating coalitions, creating real change, making things happen, having boring conversations about budgets and priorities and what can be done and what can't has seized to interest a lot of people. what populism in its modern form and i would say it's both on the far right and the far left, and it's surprisingly, they're very similar now, is offering people's instant fast solutions as well as a sense of, we can do this ourselves. we can have nationalism. we can achieve something without other people, which is, i'm afraid, going to prove fantastically unrealist...

Real change, making things happen, having boring conversations about budgets and priorities and what can be done and what can't has seized to interest a lot of people. what populism in its modern form and i would say it's both on the far right and the far left, and it's surprisingly, they're very similar now, is offering people's instant fast solutions as well as a sense of, we can do this ourselves. we can have nationalism. we can achieve something without other people, which is, i'm afraid, going to prove fantastically unrealistic. i think david miliband said in your previous program that th...

He's had a problem saying on those core message, you know, his inside kitchen cabinet has been telling him stay on these issues. then this week, eugene, we hear something new. we hear about term limits for congress. we hear him talking about closing the revolving door between, you know, government and k street. listen to him talk about how he would do this controlle/alt delete. drain the swampl in washington. >> when it comes to washington, d.c., it is time to drain the damn swamp. if i'm elected president i will push for a constitutional amendment to propose term limits on all members of cong...

>> think about what donald trump's core message has been. aren't you tired of losing invote for me because i know how to win. everybody he has gone against it is about planting that seed of doubt about whether the other person is a winner or loser. jeb bush is low energy. marco rubio looks so young. ben carson is kind of iffy. it is not necessarily on issues. these guys might not be winners because there is nothing republicans want more than to defeat hillary clinton. >> if nationalism is at the heart of this the nationalists urge a sense of betrayal by the political establishment and sense of...

Christian? >> what donald trump's core message is i'm a winner. i know how to win. if you look at all his attacks on all his opponents whether it's hillary clinton or on the republican side everything links back to that theme. the core of the argument against jeb bush he's not a fighter, i'm a fighter. the core of the argument against ben carson we don't know about this guy but i'm a fighter. it's what he's doing with ted cruz. he's not putting ideological distance between them. they share in some ways a little bit of the same pool of voters. he doesn't want to be cast out by the conservative ...