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Decision, even if it's a dissenting opinion, to say that there is some validity to this theory. i think really calls into question you know, where that justice is coming from. >> yeah, well to that end, even if it's a narrow ruling, justice kagan today expressed concerns about it being used to fuel further conspiracies like the fake elector scheme. if the court does not stake out a very clear position on this, how concerned are you that it could be weaponized in elections down the line to support theories like the one proposed by john eastman? to allow states to send fake electors and to congr...

To the democratic convention in 2020. i thought she was the sharper speaker back in that particular campaign cycle. there is always -- >> he says the same thing, her husband. >> yeah. >> tell you the same thing. >> that's why a lot of people have always surmised that she might actually be one of the stronger democrat candidates for president sometime in the future. i know they say that's not a possibility. she clearly has an instinct for giving a very sharp political speech. and delivering a line. >> it's not typical of ex first ladies but she's got that latitude. the core point is that great ...

A line. >> it is not typical of first ladies or x first ladies but she has got that latitude. i think the core point is that presidents, american political leaders, of a starkly always emphasize -- even the middle of the civil war -- you had jean meacham earlier on talk about a brown like that there is more that unites us then divides us as american and that is part of the sacred trust -- >> i hope that's right. it does not feel that way sometimes after sitting here for all these years. nia, you know it seven years we have been talking -- >> keep the faith -- >> so divided that we cannot get b...

Address things like the border, like crime, like inflation. i think if you do that, i think republicans are going to win both chambers and i think it's going to be a really good day. >> raymond: governor ron desantis, thank you for taking the time. happy labor day. talk to you soon. >> the core point he made of that political speech about a threat to democracy is true. that's something that's not easy for us as journalists to say. the republican party right now that is led dishonest demagogue. >> he frame this as an emer emergency. to me it was an urgent wartime address. >> raymond: a wartime ...

Night. he didn't say vote for any republicans. well, which republican would he vote for? should he vote for the guy in pennsylvania who's saying that the election was stolen? should he vote for the people in georgia who are saying that? what republicans should he say? >> he tries to make a distinction in the speech between the maga republicans he hates and the republicans he claims he could work with, but the core point of the speech is you shouldn't be voting for any republicans. so how can you go out and say i want to work with some republicans and not others. >> did you hear him say don't v...