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Say they love each other from being mar pririemarried. how is that any different? >> it's different in that 7 million caliifornians came together and heard both side of this debate and voted what they wanted to vote on the definition of marriage, and you're asking to believe that 7 million caliifornians are somehow bigots or racists and that's a ridiculous argument. >> 7 million caliifornians could not have come together and -- >> over 60 million american ace cross this country have voted on this issue. and you're calling all of them bigots. >> austin, you were saying they can't all be bigots ...

Structural similarities but there is a fundamental difference. and the fundamental difference is the one you and i just already mentioned. it matters to our homeland security. vietnam did not, although at the time the administrations in power did say it did, but they were wrong. now, to your core point, we need to be always mindful of the fact that we are there to help the afghans take over their own government, take over responsibility. we are not there to replace the afghans. that's difficult in a situation like the one you just described with judges in kandahar. that's a real -- that's a pe...

Ineffectiveness, seems like we do a lot of harm just by staying. that maybe the clock has just run out. >> well, i don't think so. i think the afghan people, first of all, just a point, it's really not ten years. it's really like a little more than eight. and, secondly, a lot of that time was in a wholly different atmosphere. the resurgence of the taliban really began about five years ago and it was completely neglected by washington. and that's why we find ourselves in that position. but to go to your core point, i don't see evidence that people are turning away from the international presenc...

Difference. and the fundamental difference is the one you and i just already mentioned. it matters to our homeland security. vietnam did not, although at the time the administrations in power did say it did, but they were wrong. now, to your core point, we need to be always mindful of the fact that we are there to help the afghans take over their own government, take over responsibility. we are not there to replace the afghans. that's difficult in a situation like the one you just described with judges in kandahar. that's a real -- that's a perfect example of the problem. we're not going to re...

And all of its corruption and ineffectiveness, seems like we do a lot of harm just by staying. that maybe the clock has just run out. >> well, i don't think so. i think the afghan people, first of all, just a point, it's really not ten years. it's really like a little more than eight. and, secondly, a lot of that time was in a wholly different atmosphere. the resurgence of the taliban really began about five years ago and it was completely neglected by washington. and that's why we find ourselves in that position. but to go to your core point, i don't see evidence that people are turning away ...