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saying violates his free speech, and calling election interference. joining the table is one of trump's attorneys and the first impeachment trial, robert ray. he is the former head of the office of the independent counsel. maggie, i want to start with the timing here. this is very significant. we knew this could land smack dab in the middle of this next presidential campaign. now we know it is right after super tuesday happens, very significant time for trump. >> this is not the timing the trump team wanted to see. remember, there was going to be a lot of pretrial motions, an effort to get these charges dismissed, assuming they go ahead. this is when the trial is -- we've never seen anything like this. i have no idea how this plays politically. we know that, let alone the bigger issue is a criminal trial, and the president,

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i just want to make that point we have some precedent for it. >> just to put a final touch on this, one thing donald trump is good at is making lemonade out of lemons. anytime he is in a criminal situation, in a court situation, the fbi raid, he will find a way to make this a fundraising opportunity, a merchandise opportunity. don't expect donald trump to hide away from this. he's going to leverage this as part of his campaign. the media is going to follow it. we saw this when he had his indictment a few weeks ago. there will be wall-to-wall coverage of this thing, and that'll try not the other candidates. >> i'll make the point we are seeing real world consequences with him, legally, on this, we haven't seen before. he was found liable in the civil trial. the judge's ruling today i think is not insignificant. he does fear, i think, certain legal consequences with -- >> we just got word that trump lawyers have requested a meeting with attorney general garland in that classified documents case. this is the special counsel case that, maggie, you have said, is one of the things he is most concerned about. what do you make of that? >> i make of it they assume

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going after him. if they can go after him, they can go after me. that is the verbiage people use. >> maggie raised the possibility, robert, this could and even before a trial. it could end in a dismissal of the charges. what do you think are the prospects? >> there will be a full set of motions that will be filed in the -- before the state court, and, of course, in june. there is the -- fact, is first substantive appearance in federal court with regard to removal, i know some of characterize that as a long shot. i have to say, i've looked at the federal removal statute for criminal cases, it is broad enough to encompass things like what the former president is arguing, that he has federal defenses in connection with a state prosecution. it'll be interesting to see how a federal judge handles that, and no matter who wins or loses on that decision, it is going to be appealed. on something this significant, you can expect, like everything else that's involved, the former president, it's not going to be a single trip to the district court, it'll go to the court of appeals, and

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be successful. you know, understand this is an unusual situation. in an ordinary course, you would expect the attorney general, unless there is some extraordinary reason not to, to endorse the charging decision of the special counsel. it suggests, to me, they think the special counsel's decision is a foregone conclusion, which means the only avenue left to pursue is whether or not the attorney general will authorize the prosecution. that is a significant moment in american history. i mean, i guess maybe there's lots of significant moments. it is a significant moment. as i have confronted in my own past, the decision about whether or not to charge a sitting or former president of the united states is not a little deal. there are two people in the united states who are subject to election by all the people, the president and vice president. he is a candidate now for office again, that raises substantial questions. >> we could, be as a country, on the cusp of a very significant series of decisions being made by this justice department. as it relates to former president donald trump. sara, maggie, robert, and rina shah, and before that. coming up next for us, deadlock. nine days until a possible default and still no deal to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

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and arizona, and one month after pennsylvania voters go to the ballot boxes. the trial, of course, involving 34 felony counts related to the stormy daniels hush money case. trump has pleaded not guilty in that case. also tonight, florida governor ron desantis will announce his candidacy tomorrow in a rather unconventional way, appearing in a live conversation on twitter with elon musk. we are getting word donald trump and his allies are making plans to offend that announcement. maggie haberman will join us in a moment. just a reminder of how wide open and unpredictable these races are, take a look at the republican primary polls from this month back in 2015. marco rubio and jeb bush both led the pack. donald trump, he stood at 3%,

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tied with george pataki, and speaking of polls, fast forward to right now. you see the numbers show that republicans, they smell blood. president biden's approval rating just hit 40%. the lowest number since last summer. it's also lower than trump's approval rating at the same point in his term. joining me tonight, senior media reporter for axios, sara fischer, new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman, republican strategist, rina shah, and democratic strategist, basil smikle. sara, the fascinating thing about this, we knew this announcement was coming. we didn't know it was in this way, but in announcement on twitter says, both -- about what desantis thinks he has to do, and it says a lot about twitter and where that platform has gone after all of these months. >> yep, twitter has become the center of gravity for the republican party that used to be fox news, and ever since it fired tucker carlson, you are seeing a slew of conservative personalities, now candidates, flocking to the platform. if you think about ron desantis,

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as the leading republican presidential candidate for 2024 on the right, that's his safe space. that's mar-a-lago, where he railed against the charges. as we said, attacked the judge, the judges family attacked the district attorney who is prosecuting him. so let's bring in cnn political analyst in new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. it was. it was great to follow your tweets in real time last night as as a former president was speaking. i thought it was so interesting that you said this is the most united we've seen republicans around trump since prior to january, 6th and the insurrection? yeah i mean, i'll give you an example. the new york post front page this morning. the new york post has been attacking donald trump since the midterms and today, uh , they chose they choose donald trump over alvin bragg. right and so i think you're going to see a lot of that because so much of our politics now is about who you are against versus what you are for now. is this sustainable if trump gets indicted elsewhere, which he might he's facing an

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clear exactly what the other the underlying crime that this relates to is. but when you read that statement of fact, there were so many things that happened that we had forgotten about. i had forgotten that amy the national enquirer. paid a doorman who had made what turned out to be a false allegation against trump. but buried in there is this fact that david pecker went to the white house, and trump thanked him for his help during the campaign. it was a reminder that this case, you know, there's been a lot of focus on michael cohen, who is clearly the key witness and brought the bulk of i suspect documents, texts, you know, testimony. but there are other pieces that support what michael cohen is saying. and i think that david peckers testimony. remember he was the first witness this grand jury heard from. he was one of the last witnesses they heard from. they brought him back. i think he will be really key as well. fascinating. um thank you very much, maggie. we appreciate it. all right. thank you very much. guys want to talk about what's happening in chicago because chicago voters are making their choice. they made their choice overnight cnn projects brendan johnson, a progressive cook

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analyst in new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman and former associate counsel to president george w. bush jameel jaffer, listen here. this is the interesting thing, my sources, saying the notion that this shouldn't be birth for political reasons doesn't align with the justice system. you have to go when you're ready. there are statutes of limitations and other factors that forced them to move in a time that they have to move. and jill. funny, willis could actually go first. if there are indictments in multiple jurisdictions. they can coordinate the court dates because defendants often face indictment in multiple jurisdictions so georgia could actually end up going first to that whole argument about why is this first what they're saying? it doesn't really matter, and michael cohen is saying similar there in that interview. right i think that's right. now look in this case, new york has a six year statute of limitations when it comes to fraud, criminal fraud. and so there's a real possibility that the reason why this happened now is because there's they're out of time, paused in 2020 by then governor

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of law enforcement coordinating that as well done the nypd, so unrest at your own risk engine grass. thank you so much appreciate. hate that. joining us now on this historic indictment, cnn political analyst in new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman and former associate counsel to president george w. bush jameel jaffer back at the table so soon, but maggie, let's start with this because you've been doing reporting on what's happening in trump world leading up to this. they were surprised by this, but the fact that it came down last night and some people have even been telling trump. maybe it would never come down at all. i mean, it's often hard to tell how much of this is them actually believing what they're saying? amateur this is projection and wish wish casting, but there's no question that people around trump were completely caught off guard by this, they did believe you know the reports that the grand jury was done for a month and that they would not be coming back for several weeks. they thought they had time. if this was going to happen at all, and they were all sort of exhaling, and then suddenly this happened, trump my

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