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Allegations. i think that this kind of attitude is what makes it really difficult for victims and survivors of these kinds of traumatic events to even come forward. we don't seem to have come very far from the anita hill days. as i said for "the wall street journal" to come out and talk to me about due process or all the women out there that i'm hearing about that never came forward, it is really important, not only for these survivors to be heard, but if their stories are as credible as dr. ford's story is, they need to be believed. >> four people said to be at the party, four described, have...

Kavanaugh, judge, smith and her friend, leland keyser, have all said they don't remember anything like this happened. and keyser, who believes ford, said she doesn't remember being at a party where kavanaugh was present. >> that corroborates ford's story was that she was so horrified by this that she kind of snuck out or slunk out of this apartment in a way that no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified and she didn't tell anybody for years, which is consistent with the way women, 77% of women behavior when they have been sexually assaulted. so the president saying t...

So they're going to deny it. to your point -- >> they deny any knowledge of the party whatsoever. >> yeah, but nothing -- >> she places possible witnesses. >> nothing happened -- >> to bring her therapist who -- >> sure. >> and her husband, her family and everyone will go through the ringer. >> what do you think happens thursday? what do you think happens, michael? you have professor ford. you have judge kavanaugh. they're sitting there, at separate times. the senators get to ask them questions. let's assume that professor ford and brett kavanaugh both acquit themselves reasonably, credibly an...

Doing an investigation. this is totally untoward because, remember, during the anita hill days, there was an investigation, perfunctory as that was. but dr. ford is not even afforded that. meanwhile she's coming forward and saying i will tell my story. i will do everything i can to make sure she can tell her story free of intimidation, fear and the kind of threats she's already getting for even coming forward with this. >> writing a piece about the presumption of guilt, they say, quoted you saying that the court of law is not being afforded. sexual allegations should be accepted as true merely...

Called president trump after he started attacking ford's credibility and said this is not helpful. >> i like the president trump we saw at the early part of this whole debate. as the father of a 16-year-old daughter who frustrates me greatly, i can tell you that she might not tell me this kind of a thing. >> she wouldn't. >> no. she goes to drinking parties and that frustrates me as well but at the end of all of this, i think that chairman grassley has been really accommodating. probably more accommodating than i would be as a father of daughters, but he has also taken a very careful political...