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Audio. and so i think that you are seeing giuliani try to pit trump's credibility against michael cohen's and suggest that trump will win. you can't -- there is a problem, and this was the issue for them during the campaign. the corrosive lying and the corrosive distorting and the corrosive lack of telling the truth, it does have an impact at a certain point. >> right. >> and you can't just keep saying to people you're not hearing what you're hearing. now, look, michael cohen contradicted himself, i think. i think he said something a little different to congress about the trump tower meeting a...

Michael cohen's and suggest that trump will win. you can't -- there is a problem, and this was the issue for them during the campaign. the corrosive lying and the corrosive distorting and the corrosive lack of telling the truth, it does have an impact at a certain point. >> right. >> and you can't just keep saying to people you're not hearing what you're hearing. now, look, michael cohen contradicted himself, i think. i think he said something a little different to congress about the trump tower meeting, and he will have to deal with that if he gets called by robert mueller's investigators. i ...

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