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This is true. they're fabrications, all lies. he dispensed with that in a sentence or two. but he talked about the rigged, corrupt system. it did include some in the media, not all, but most. 96% of the donations went to hillary clinton by working journalists. 96%. there's no arguing -- >> no act -- there was no political journalists in there. i get where you're going with that, but that includes people who cover sports or entertainment. i mean, i'm just saying. let's give it some nuance here. >> okay, let's give it nuance. get it down from a couple of poin from 96. there's no nuance, chuck. y...

Ties are and where there may be conflicts of interests because he won't disclose his tax returns. >> so here's what we do know. as you said yesterday in gettysburg, he used to be an insider. right up there with the clintons and others given his position and wealth and great success as a businessman and yet that gives him the credibility and legitimacy to go and fight the system from the outside in. he knows how corrupt it is. we're learning now it's a whole axis between some in the media, the clintons and this is about the entire campaign that is about the little guy being the victim, the rigg...

Upset he's making. now back in april when you were working against donald trump, when you were supporting ted cruz and advertising his super pac you had some tough words for trump when he was lashing out against the system being rigged. >> we hear from the trump campaign rules, the rules change, it's not fair, the system is rigged, the system is corrupt. key whine and campaign all he wants you didn't know the rules. >> is this a pattern with mr. trump he starts losing he starts lashing and calling the system rigged. >> we love watching that clip together. that was actually about what was happe...

Much larger concern than a rigging of the system. i should claim rigging. i might be lieutenant governor now. >> if you need people to turn out and vote for you, you don't want them to feel disspirited or that their vote doesn't matter. that gets into dangerous territory and maybe making people feel their vote doesn't count and that's not the case. >> there's a tendency of older people -- and i can speak on behalf of old people on this panel. there's a tendency as you go through life to become bitter. the one thing i don't like is when you listen to old people telling young people don't get in...

>> from special interests and donors. i've been on the other side, folks. believe me. i was very, very comfortable there. i also knew that our country was heading in the wrong direction. bad, bad things were going to happen. you know when i talk about inside or outside, i'm the ult mall -- ultimate they lof me and one day on june 16th of last year, coming down the escalator with melania, i became an outsider that i can live never seen before in their life. we're doing the right thing. we had to do it. i love this country. we had to do it. we had to do it. so my message is this, if we win on no...